GolfWrx Discussion - Arms or Body?

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The main point of the thread: conscious roll to square the face: I'm a pretty good striker and I don't consciously think of squaring the face at all. I do, however, feel as though if I hold off the finish a bit I can cut it a wee bit and if I try and lean the shaft a bit more, I will draw in. Just personal feel. Conscious roll during impact tells me that there are some poor grips and perhaps to much "roll" going back.

On the distance/power bits...

IMO, most of the bad country club swings I see are not enough hands and arms and too much body.

The educating of the arms and hands is the most left out thing in golf. Nobody wants to take responsibility for learning the "intricate" motions. Juggling? Pretty intricate motion of the wrists/arm/hands and support from the body. Once you drop a bunch of balls, the hands "learn" how to anticipate and react and it all starts looking pretty good. Same thing for the golf swing.

HBG, you know you can stand on one foot and hit it farther than most of your club golfers or students. Why?

I can hit it 230 or 240 (two bills plus in the air and whatever the ground gives me) with my educated arms/hands and shoulder turn, standing on one foot. Not trying to brag, just sharing some stuff. With two feet on the ground and some pivot to help help drive the arms and hands (pp4) I can hit it 270-300; nothing to write home about. So my hip turn and ground force adds about 20% to my power equation.

With me, it's 80% arms/hands/shoulders and 20% legs and pivot thrust and I don't try and roll anything. I've learned how to do it, so I don't have to think about it. That's what I want for most of you guys.

My prayers go out to the Japanese people and I wish them a speedy recovery from all of their recent challenges.They have been big fans of the Tour Striker.

Tour Striker Golf Academy - Coming to a location near you!

I recently finished a very fun Tour Striker Golf Academy day at The Vintage Club in Indian Wells, California. The host professional and dear friend, David Woods, PGA, was a fantastic host and co-instructor. We had 11 participants who learned about impact and the story of the Tour Striker. The day was great fun and the attendees were awesome.

Thanks to David and the membership at The Vintage Club.

If any of you would like me to co-host a Tour Striker day at your club, please ask your pro to contact me. It will be a win-win all the way around.

Martin Chuck, PGA
Tour Striker Golf Academy

RE: Follow Up - Tour Striker

Hi Rick,

Good point!

People like to aim the face at the target. In reality where the clubface aims at address means nothing. We want the face square during impact. It's okay to have a closed face at address, but most people will manipulate their left arm to get it aiming at the target.

Hope that helps and I'm thrilled you are making progress!!

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: oriley1
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:15 PM
To: Martin Chuck
Subject: Follow Up - Tour Striker

Martin,

Please forgive the email but I have a quick question for you about the grip.

I feel that I am making progress with the Tour Striker and I watched the TS video again recently and paid special attention to the segment dedicated to the grip. You stated, in the video, that after setting up the left hand impact position grip that you return the shaft back to straight and make sure that the club face grooves are straight for the address grip position.

Here's my question:

When you return the shaft back to straight it is naturally going created a somewhat closed face.
I'm guessing that this is the reason for making sure that the club face grooves are straight.
If I attempt to accomplish this by manually opening the face it is naturally going to return to closed on my follow through.

Therefore, are you recommending that the correct way to make sure that the club face grooves are straight is by simply adjusting the club face postion open until it is square and then re-gripping the club?

Forgive the long email and I hope that this was not too confusing.

Thanks for your help and I am determined to continue working until I develop the proper
fundamental swing.

Rick

RE: TS 7x--couple of questions

Hi Charles,

 

Thanks for the kind note. I’m glad you like the club. You are about the 100^th person to ask about the shaft! It’s a Femco product that best resembles the KBS 90 shaft. I like the stepping and feel of the shaft. While a ton of folks like DG’s, I’ve always been a Precision/Rifle guy. As far as what OEM has a similar feel? It’s really the center of gravity that you like; most companies want it low to help. I want it high, not to help. Evil? Yes, but you are learning how to get the club on the ball correctly now.

 

I’ve a bit Titleist fan and while I play blades, I would recommend their AP1 or AP2 product with the KBS 90 (S or R, depending on how you load it during transition).

 

On that note, I’m designing a set of TS clubs that will be available in the Fall or worst case Q1 of 2012.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

 

From: CJordan@
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Martin Chuck
Subject: TS 7x--couple of questions

 

Martin, I just wanted to send a note re my experience with the Tour Striker.  Even though we are still very early in the golf season here, I’ve had the opportunity to practice with the club on the course and it’s GREAT.  I bought the 7x, stock, even though I am a mid-handicapper, and I’ve had fairly good success.  In fact (and this is the reason for my question) when I hit it well, the results in distance and accuracy FAR SURPASS my normal 7 iron (when also hit well).  I game Mizuno MP-29s and although the loft, etc may be slightly different with the TS 7x, it does lead to a couple of questions:

1.      Can you tell me what shaft is in the 7x?  I have s300 in the 29s and I think I prefer the feel of the TS.

2.      I’ve never liked cavity backed clubs—mostly because of feel and looks, although I’m sure I would get better results—but the TS has made me think hard about switching.  If you could say, ____ irons are closest to an OEM model of the Tour Striker, what would it be?

Many thanks.  Congrats again on a great product.

Charles L.

FW: I'm Sure Mr. Knudson would be proud

Hello Randy,

Thanks for the kind note. I appreciate it a lot! I was very lucky to be in the position to spend so much time with George. He was a great guy. I'm glad that my respect and admiration showed in the video. Thank you for buying it. I appreciate your support. If you get to Bend, be sure to pop by Tetherow to say hello.

Regards,

Martin Chuck, PGA 

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Fri 3/18/2011 10:43 PM
To: Martin Chuck
Subject: I'm Sure Mr. Knudson would be proud

As a teacher I know there is no greater respect that can be presented than the kind words of a past student  I have always been a fan of George Knudson and bought your video the moment I found it on the Internet. I have several of Mr. Knudson's videos and books and always enjoy a chance to learn more about him and his teachings.  Not only did your video prove to be a help for this 49 year old teacher but the kindness and attention you directed towards Mr. Knudson and his method was very heart warming for this school teacher to see.  I know Mr. Knudson would have felt blessed as I know any teacher would be when a student shows such kindness towards them. I wish you the very best and simply wanted to tell you that what you have done has not been not unnoticed and wish to say," Well Done".



Sincerely Yours,



Randy W

Salem. Oregon

RE: my tourstriker order

Hi Ramesh, you can make 20% by becoming one of our affiliates. We just started the program. Here is the link, it is really easy to set up and to start making some money from your clients that like the Tour Striker.

 

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I'm thrilled that you like it and see the value in the product.

 

I hope your back heals quickly and your get back on the links soon!

 

Martin

 

From: DC Golf Tour

Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:31 AM
To: Martin Chuck
Subject: my tourstriker order

 

hi martin -   got my tour strikers in the mail yesterday (Order Number : 142635) and i have to say i am impressed.  it is difficult to tell online what the actual quality of a product is, and i'm happy to report that the tour striker exceeded my expectations!   as i have a lingering back injury, i was unable to practice with full swings as of yet, but just by hitting pitches and chips with the 56 degree, i can already feel like my hands will be in a better position at impact.  i had self-diagnosed my primary swing flaw (an occasional flip that crops up at the most inopportune times), and when i saw your infomercial i knew it was going to help me address that issue.  i will report back with my progess, once i get healed up.   as a side business, i run an amateur golf tour (www.dcgolftour.com) in the washington dc metropolitan area, in operation since 2007.  i know your product would be able to help many of my players, and was wondering if there was anything we could do to promote the tour striker on my tour.  off the top of my head, i am thinking of a demo day at tournaments, and maybe additional prizes or raffles of the tour striker for the groups that finish in last place (the ones that need the most help).  let me know if that is something you might consider.   with warm regards,   ramesh sundaresan dc golf tour director

 

RE: impact question

Hi John,

I’m thrilled that the club has helped you! That is awesome. There is nothing wrong with starting in an inline “impact” condition other than you can lose some of the “buggy whip” and lag created during the backswing. I would encourage you to hit one in your impact condition and then hit a  ball in a “mid-body” hands position and see if you can feel what I mean. The mid-body position allows for more the possibility of more lag and pressure on the club.

Take care,

 

Martin

 

From: Johnssaga@
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Martin Chuck
Subject: impact question

 

Martin: My ball striking with the Tour Striker Pro improved perceptibly after I began swinging from the impact position. I then went back to the regular position and hit the ball much better. Doing this showed me how to get into the impact position.

Is there something intrinsically wrong with beginning the swing from the impact position? 

Thanks for inventing this great swing improvement tool,

John Mc

Tourstriker

John,

 

That is one of the best testimonials ever!! You should get the 7X. You are a practice and will adapt nicely. Sorry for the delayed response, but I’m buried in E-mail lately!

 

From: John
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:45 AM
To: Martin Chuck
Subject: Re: FW: Tourstriker

 

Martin

thanks for the note, things get better and better, my driver swing speed has gone up from mid 80's with the occasional low 90's to a consistent 105/107 and a much improved ball flight.

Consistency of strike with my irons is as different as chalk and cheese, and using the Tour Striker wedge has improved my short game and I am getting consistent contact.

Bonus is no more back pain or left elbow pain after practice or play.

Everything seems far more controlled and ordered and I can "feel" what is happening i.e. weight transfer and pressure into my right thigh on take away and for the first time the stretching of the muscle's in the left side of my back , weight transfer onto my left on the down swing and the feel of the club head staying back.

I am in two minds as to order the Pro 7 Iron or the Pro X7 any advice appreciated.

I saw on the web you are about to launch a bit of kit which looked similar to the Swingrite but from the clip I saw seems a lot better, do you have a release date for this yet as I would like to try one.

Believe it or not I have found a health benefit through using the club as well, I am a smoker and I have a mat and a net outside, when I went out for a smoke I would hit a handful of balls. Since practising with the Tour Striker I don't enjoy smoking as much as I do making good club / ball contact so I hit 25 balls and don't bother with the cigarette.

I suppose you could say the club is not only game changing it's life changing.


Many thanks

John

"Martin Chuck" <mchuck@tetherow.com> 10/03/2011 19:14

Dear John,
 
Sincere thanks for the kind note. I’m thrilled that the club has helped you and changed your intent on how you strike the ball. That is awesome!
 
You will love the TS Pro 7. It is the real test.
 
Have a great day,
 
Martin Chuck, PGA  |  Director of Golf/Club Manager  |  Tetherow Golf Club  |  61240 Skyline Ranch Road, Bend, OR 97702  |  C 541.948.2480  |  O 541.388.2582 Ext. 103 |  F 541.388.9810  | www.tetherow.com
 
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From: "John
Date: Mar 10, 2011 5:31 AM
Subject: Tourstriker
To: <testimonials@tourstriker.com>


Hi Martin

my tour striker arrived in the UK yesterday 10 days after order which is pretty quick

I have practised with the 8 iron for about half an hour and ended 10 years frustration.

After an initial few swings everything appeared to change naturally and I started to make solid contact which was great.

However after a short time I became very aware of a different feel of my swing and for the first time ever I was conscious of what was happening, a revelation.

I then made a fundamental error and arrived at my local range with the club, after a short while my teaching pro arrived watched a few swings and commandeered the club for a "try". The try has become an extended loan and the club is destined to be deployed as a teaching aid with access allowed to myself when ever I want until he can place an order for his own.

Consensus is the club is the armature golfer's equivalent to sliced bread to a sandwich maker.

I look forward to continued improvement and the time I am able to take the next step and order the Pro 5 & 7 Irons.

Many thanks

John

Question regarding tour sticker applicability to the driver

Dear Bruce,

Great question!

The angle of attack of the driver for the PGA Tour is -1.5 degrees of
downward strike. The Long Drive specialist have an upward strike of up
to 5.0 degrees. There is a big difference on how guys/gals come into the
ball with a driver. The one thing that they all share at this skill
level is that the shaft of the club is still behind the outside plane of
the left arm. So, the club is still trailing the hands at impact. How do
they do this? The spine tilt away from the target is very important.
Some can actually hit up without flipping the club. I actually address
this question in my Continuing Education Servies DVD - Maximizing
Distance.

The Tour Striker certainly helps a lot with all balls hit off the ground
and it can give you the right feel for striking a shot off a tee where
you have the opportunity to "get under" the ball. You can apply the same
TS feel with a ball on the tee, you have to feel your rotating hips get
closer to the target which will give you the spine tilt to hit up while
maintaining sound impact alignments.

I hope that helps and thanks for the support!

Martin Chuck, PGA

From: bruce
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:17 PM
To: support@tourstriker.com
Subject: Question regarding tour sticker applicability to the driver

I can see how the tour striker can help with irons and fairway woods but
what about the driver? Does it help here and if so how. Since you hit
up with the driver and not down like irons I assume you do not use the
forward push on the driver as you would with the other clubs in the bag.
Thanks. Bruce

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"Without doubt the best training aid for me! I wish I discovered the tour striker 10 years ago but it's never too late!!!"


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